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From: kaamran@sun14.

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Jews/Christians/Muslims

(Part 1: Is there any similarity?)

The following was sent a few months ago.

Now it is going to continue:

The sequence of articles is important because some of conclusions are

not valid until the last article.

Sahih Muslim,

Rendered into English by

Abdul Hamid Siddiqi

Printed at Hafeez Press,

Sh.

Muhammad Ashraf

Kashmiri Bazar, Lahore(Pakistan)

Chapter MCXII, titled as

Following the footsteps of the jews and the christians

#6448

Abu Said Alkhudri reported Allah's messenger (May peace be upon him)

as saying: You would tread the same path as was trodden by those

before you inch by inch and step by step so much so that if they had

entered into the hole of the lizard, you would follow them in this

also.

We said: Allah's messenger, do you mean Jews and Christians

(by your words)"those before you"? He said: Who else(than those two

religious groups)?

#6449

This hadith has been narrated on the authority of Atab b.

Yasar

through another chain of transmitters.

-

The same hadith is given in Sahih Bukhari with a little difference of

translation.

Here it comes:

-

The translation of the meaning of Sahih al-Bukhari

Arabic-English

Dr.

Mohammad Muhsin Khan

Islamic University, Medina al-Munawwara

Kaze Publications.

1529 North Wells Street, Chicago.

ILL.

60610(USA)

(3rd revised, 1977)(4th revised Edition, March 1979)

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9.

422:

Narrated Abu Sa'id al-Khudri:

The Prophet said, "You will follow the ways of those nations who
were

before you, span by span and cubit by cubit (i.

e.

, inch by inch)
so

much so that even if they entered a hole of a mastigure, you would

follow them.

" We said, "O Allah's Apostle! (Do you mean)
the Jews and

the Christians?" He said, "Whom else?"

Also shiat has narrated the similar traditions through its own reliable

narrators.

As I recall, you can locate such traditions in Tafaaseer

under the

Sourah[84] Aayah[19]

Laterkabonna tabagan an tabagen

Sourah: ensheghagh

O.

K.

Let see if anybody can go through the hole of a lizard(!!??)

Since I have not seen such creature among human beings, I answer

to myself that this is not possible.

There is no way that even a thin

man can pass through the hole of a lizard.

If not, then what these

traditions mean? The way that this example is given in these

traditions confirms the case of impossible acts.

I conclude,

therefore, that if any of Jews and/or Christians have done an

impossible action, the same action would be perfomed by a muslim too.

Some of you may have already been searching for these traditions since

they seem very strange.

Will muslim worship an idol as Jews did when

they worshipped a caw figure? Will muslims kill prophets while we know

that there is no prophet after Mohammad(SAS)? Then what these traditions

mean? How about the miracles that Muses and Jesus performed? How about

the distortion they made on their books? Will muslim change their book

by their hand? Will they think that Jesus is the son of God? and

thousands of these questions.

One more point:

Will the sequence of events be kept in the same way?

For example, will there be Jesus after Yahya(Jashowa, I think)?

We know that it is almost impossible to imagine muslims to worship

Jesus as the son of God, to worship caw instead of true God, to go for

hunting on Saturday as Jews did.

What I can conclude from the
traditions

is that the similar action will be done, but not exactly the same

action.

For example, it is been told that the prophet warned muslims

about different interpretation of Quran:

You will not change anything inside
of Quran as previously

done in the bible(Torat and Enjil),
but you will certainly

change the meaning of aayaat(verses)
of Quran.

To me, there is no difference between these two events.

In both cases

you can hardly detect the truth since you usually do not follow the

original sources of the religion and you listen to others(scholars)

instead of searching for yourselves.

There is no difference between

changing the bible and misleading people through the interpretation of

the Quran.

What I conclude is that the similar acts would be done by

muslim people.

They may not kill a prophet after the prophet since

there is no prophet.

But it is not hard to imagine that some of
them

may have attempted killing their best knowledgeable men (scholars,

.

.

.

)

How about the sequence of events? Surely there is no point in these

two traditions that the sequence of events will be untouched.

The

words"inch by inch" is interpreted inside of the hadith:

such that if one did XXXX, you will do XXXX too

As the result, the sequence of events are not kept.

In other words,

similar act to worshipping caw may not happen exactly in the time of

the prophet as it happened in time of muses.

However, it may happen at

the end of time.

Although Jesus will not appear as the prophet to

introduce christianity, he will come at the end of times as narrated.

I summerize the conclusion I would like to make in this article:

1)- The very similar events would take place for Muslims people as

they happened for Jews and Christians.

In case that the act is

possible, muslims MAY do the EXACT act as others did.

(I will explain

what I mean by "possible" in my next articles.

)

2)- The sequence of events are not necessarily preserved.

For some

cases, this sequence MAY be maintained.

In next article, I will, insha-allah, talk about some attitiudes of

present muslims which are attributed to Jews and Christians.

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From: kaamran@sun14.

vlsi.

uwaterloo.

ca

Subject: Jews/Christians/Muslims (Part 2: Hiding the Truth)

* The likeness of those who are entrusted with the Law
of Moses,

yet apply it not, is as the likeness of the
ass carrying books*

Wretched is the likeness of folk who deny
the revelations of

Allah* And Allah guideth not wrongdoing
folk (Quran 62:5)

In part one, I proved that there are similarities among Jews,

Christians, and Muslims.

The above verse is apparently about Jews.

Just around and among yourselves (Muslims).

Don't you see those who

close their eyes and ears and hearts and do not look at their book of

Allah, and the evidences from their own book?

They prefer to deny the orders of Allah, and insist in their

ignorance.

And do not mix up the truth with the
falsehood, nor hide the

truth while you know (it) (Quran 2:42)

O followers of the Book! Why do you
confound the truth with the

falsehood and hide the truth while you
know? (Quran 3:71)

And when Allah made a covenant with
those who weregiven the

Book: You shall certainly make it
known to men andyou shall not

hide it; but they cast it behind
their backs and tooka small

price for it; so evil is that which
they buy* (Quran 3:187)

Those whom We have given the Book
recognize him as they

recognize their sons, and a party of
them most surely conceal

the truth while they know (it)* (Quran
2:146)

Surely those who conceal any part of
the Book thatAllah has

revealed and take for it a small
price, they eat nothing but

fire into their bellies, and Allah
will not speak to them on the

day of resurrection, nor will He
purify them, and they shall

have a painful chastisement* (Quran
2:174)

I have shown in the first part of this series that whatever has

happened on Jews/Christians should happen similarly on muslims.

Although the sequence of events may not be the same (sooner or later

that the event in previous nations), they would happen, not exactly

but very closely.

(Of course there is another choice that the prophet of Allah has

lied.

Obviously, a muslim does not accept such choice at all.

Better

to think and learn from previous nations.

)

One of behaviours of Jews/Christians is that they knew the truth and

they hided it.

They knew the prophet of Islam very clearly and better

than their own sons, and they denied him.

They knew that Allah is one

and everything was revealed by islam was true and they did not inform

their people of it.

They kept their people in darkness in order to get

a good ride on them.

Unfortunately, this story is completely happened in islamic

environment.

Scholars who knew the truth tried to hide it from their

people.

When you say that such and such exists, people open their

mouth as if a new law is fallen.

The true islam is unfortunately hiden

from the eyes of usuall people who have little access to the source

of traditions.

Others who hear the truth and confess to it, are afraid of revealing it.

It is good to warn ourselves that the promises of Allah is not a game.

When he implemens his plan, he will do as severe as he can, and Allah

is the hard punishing God.

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From: kaamran@sun14.

vlsi.

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ca

Subject: Jews/Christians/Muslims (Part 3: Religious text books)

Another similarity among Jews/Christians/Muslims is about some of

theological deviations.

When you open the old testement, the first

thing you read is:

And the God created humans in his image.

When you go further, you read a wrestling between this God and Jacob.

And other stuff.

You can locate in new testement that God, word and Jesus are one plus

Jesus is the son of God and so on.

In Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim
and

shiat sources (which were famous as "Israeelyyat" afterwards), you

can easily locate several similarities.

Although there is no wrestling

between God and Jacob, there is a wrestling between Mouses and the

angel of death.

The first sentence of the old testement was accurately

transfered to the book of Hadith.

What went wrong?

In this article, I am trying to clarify one reason for such behaviour

in religious text books.

It is one of the narrators.

In my
mind, there

are too many similarities between two people of two religions,

Christianity and Islam, Paul and Abu Huraira.

Abu Huraira
Paul

1)- Abu Huraira was a Jew and | 1)- Paul was a Jew and became

became muslim.

| christian.

|

2)- Abu Hurair saw the prophet | 2)- Paul saw Jesus in his vision,

only three years out of 23 | or in
his dream (I do not care)

years of the prophethood of| It is
very short time compared to

Mohammad (SAAWS).

| the prophethood of Jesus (I guess,

| three years or so).

|

3)- Abu Huraira started | 3)- Paul
started his preaching about

narrating about 30 years
| 30 years after the disappearance

after the death of the
| of Jesus.

(I do not care why.

)

prophet.

|

(I do not care why.

)
|

|

4)- Abu Huraira was supported | 4)- Paul was supported by the present

by the present Government |
government of his time.

of his time.

|

|

5)- Abu Huraira narrated quite | 5)- Paul narrated quite a few sentences

a few traditions which were| which
were taken from the old roman

very similar to Jewish text|
theology, and Jewish theology of

books.

| that time.

|

6)- Abu Huraira narrated a | 6)- Paul narrated a miracle
narrated

miracle about himself which| only by
himslef which was related

was related to the prophet.

| to
Jesus.

|

7)- All of Abu Huraira speeches| 7)- Paul narrated quite a few sentences

were related by the prophet| from the
mouth of Jesus.

|

8)- Abu Huraira's narrations | 8)- Paul is now called "the
father of

became the source of
| christianity".

differences among muslims |

of that time.

(Just to be |

polite to muslims.

)
|

About 40% of the theological differences among different branches of

Islam, from Sunni and Shiat to Sufism have come from the narrations of

Abu Huraira.

(Shiat brothers should note that I am not talking about

practical differences right after the death of the prophet.

) Such

estimation is my personal data as a person who has read both shiat and

sunni sources and others (such as Ahmadyya, and so and so).

Source for above claims??? Read the articles which were

sent to SRI about one month ago.

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From: kaamran@sun14.

vlsi.

uwaterloo.

ca

Subject: Re: What Muslims lack

> Article: 7387 of soc.

religion.

islam

> From: gwydion@gnu.

ai.

mit.

edu (Mercenary Programmer)

Well, I would like to have a chit-chat with a respectful man, a very

thoughtful muslim named as: Basaalat Ali.

I would like to call him

Ali in my articles.

> What we call Islam nowadays is a lot more than the final message to

> all people that was sent to us from Allah.

We have added

> interpretations on top of interpretations of interpretations.

I
do

> not know what a.

faris' intent is in answering the article in the

> manner that he did.

Very nice paragraph.

> Nonetheless, I do think that "Islam" needs to change.

If I were you, I would have followed what you said above and would

have been precise to say:

I do think that the interepretation of "Islam" needs to
change.

> Is Islam the Shia/Sunni debate? Anyone reading SRI would think so.

I am sorry.

People should be informed that the so called
"debate"

between shiat and sunni comes to net every other month, or more.

As my

records show, the first article on this was sent about one month ago.

That was from a SUNNI himself.

About a few days (or I think one week),

SOME of SUNNI people kept firing at shiat with no shame.

Then Shiat

started to answer these ignorant people.

It will not come to net if you moderators be careful when approving

the very first article.

If any revolution should be seen in SRI, it is

>from the moderators first, among you.

> it has consumed some of the finest minds of dozens of generations.

> This part of Islam needs to change.

What I brought to SRI was thrown away hundred years ago.

Shiat simply

does not care about this debate.

Shiat has closed and patched this

debate forever.

If you think that shiats are sitting in Iran finding a

better solution for this debate, you are wrong.

The present and main

concern of shiat scholars in Iran is to locate sources and find the best

way of handling muslim society, or islamic government, such as

governmental issues, taxes, economy, and so on.

They did not do that

before, and they realize how ignoring about this fact they were before.

They are coming to solve the problems of present society through islamic

sources.

They have simply put such "debate" to the
bookshelves.

The

first book on the islamic government was written about 200 years ago.

Look at yourself, then.

> No.

The simple fact is that we have allowed all this to happen
to us.

> It happens because of the hatred we have in our hearts.

Very nice sentence, and many more nice paragraphs.

> Are we Muslims? Or are we too arrogant to learn from this? Do
we

> have a monoploy on the faith of Islam?

> The real backwardness is to live out our lives amongst our own

> heresies and bidaa.

We have already left islam.

We
need to return to

> it.

Again, good advices.

Since you are not arrogant, and learn from

christians and jews faster than a muslim, I would like to bring one

example for you:

I saw an interview three nights ago.

It was about a
group

which were shaped three years ago.

75 christian
scholars

from all over the world gathered again, this year.

The
official

name of this group is "Jesus Seminar Study".

What
they do and what

they have done? They bring several different sciences such as

archeology, history, phsychology, and many more.

To
do what?

They are reading the present NEW testament (which is referred
in

this article as Bible) sentence by sentence.

They
verify which

sentence was spoken really by Jesus himself, and which one

was spoken by his followers.

How others twisted the
exact word

of Jesus.

What do you think about the outcome of
their search?

They announced that about 80% of the Bible is not from Jesus,

himself, but rather from a few writters some of whom came
after

Jesus death.

They announced that there is no single
word truely

spoken by Jesus which says that Jesus is the son of God.

There

is no single word which says that Jesus is God, or there are

three Gods.

The announced, also, that Jesus was one
prophet himself.

Is this a backward?

Your answer: No.

How? Are they not reading the
history, and the Bible and

"wasting" their time
on 2000 years ago?

Your answer: Yes.

How? Don't they understand the
Bible better than thousand

years ago? Are you not happy
with their outcomes?

That was about christians.

How about Jews? Let me give you another

example.

Perhaps, you would understand the meaning of backward better.

About 40 years ago, a great discovery occured around the dead sea, and

the findings on that area became famous as "dead sea scrolls.

" One
is

peresently kept in Isreal musem named as "The Temple Scroll".

Although, the finding was related to Jews, it talks about a theology

which matches islamic theology more than the old christianity (as some

are claiming).

If you read Quran, you will find some verses which are

referring to some verses of the old testemant.

You can not find the

referred verses in the present old testemant.

But these Quranic

references are found in the dead sea scrolls.

One of the most
important

part is named "The book of Enoch".

Now

Is this a backward?

Your answer: No.

How come? These people
are looking at the scrolls which were

written (as some claim)
before the birth of Jesus.

Your answer: Yes.

How come? They have
broken these contents of these scrolls

piece by piece, they are
understanding their book better

than hundred years ago.

How
is this a backward?

My humble suggestion:

If muslims want to solve the present problems of
islamic society,

they have to analyze what others have recorded hundred
years ago.

Muslims have to sit and find out which narration (or
Hadith) is

truely spoken by the prophet.

(Obviously,
Quran is complete, and

needs no verification).

But the traditions
need to be differentiate.

If muslims want to solve the present problems of
islamic society,

they have to look at the INTERPRETATAIONs again.

See
what

muslims have eaten during the time.

Why have
muslims have accepted

from their scholars, (or should I say, islamic
churches?).

Why

muslims have trusted their scholars so much, and how
muslims

have been deviated because of this trust.

If muslims want to help, they have to return to Islam.

As
you

said and I agreed with, what muslims have is NOT islam.

What

muslims believe in is NOT islam.

Islam is
over there, sitting and

waiting for muslims to come and understand it.

What
muslims have

done instead was to trust some scholars, and carry
their hatred

in their hearts, and FIGHT.

This is what most
people inheritated

from their fathers.

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From: kaamran@sun14.

vlsi.

uwaterloo.

ca

Subject: the Shi'ites and Sunnis

> From gwydion@gnu.

ai.

mit.

edu Mon Jan 17 15:46:22 EST 1994

> Article: 7892 of soc.

religion.

islam

> From: gwydion@gnu.

ai.

mit.

edu

> Basically, a small number among the Sunni believe and claim that the

> Shia are non-Muslim; a number among the Shia hold a somewhat similar

> opinion of the Sunni.

As a person who belongs to that small group of shiat, I am declaring

that none of us has ever told that sunni is non-muslim.

Briefly about shiat:

1)- Shait says that "Logic" is very important and is a part of life.

As you eat, you must use the logic.

2)- The point is not that Ali-Ibn-Abitalib should have been the Caliph.

That is not the case any more.

It is too late to
choose Ali as the

first Caliph after the death of the prophet since it is
almost 1350

years by now.

(Even if all muslims, shiat and sunni,
agree right

now that Ali must have been the first Caliph, nothing can be
done.

)

The point is that the true knowledge is transferred to
muslims

through Ali and his sons, and other sources are not as
reliable as

this chain.

The point is to know that it is not too
late to listen,

think, and obey these true sources of knowledge,
Ali-Ibn-Abitalib

and his sons.

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From: kaamran@sun14.

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ca

Subject: Health rules in Hadith books?

I am getting closer to realize what Islam says about health of human.

I strongly urge scientists to investigate the following important

traditions.

I hope that when they get Nobel Prize on this, share it
with

me (say %5 only).

I would be grateful if my sunni brothers and sisters tell me if they

really benefit these islamic laws or not.

Thanks a lot.

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7.

673:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah's Apostle said, "If a fly falls in the vessel of any of you,
let

him dip all of it (into the vessel) and then throw it away, for in one

of its wings there is a disease and in the other there is healing

(antidote for it) i e.

the treatment for that disease.

"

4.

537:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said "If a house fly falls in the drink of anyone of
you,

he should dip it (in the drink), for one of its wings has a disease

and the other has the cure for the disease.

"

7.

746:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah's Apostle said, "None of you should walk, wearing one shoe
only;

he should either put on both shoes or put on no shoes whatsoever.

"

I understand that there might be some use not using any shoe, and more

advantage using both shoes.

I do not understand where ONE shoe can be

applicable, and if not applicable at all, why it is mentioned anyway.

Thanks for your comments.

The traditions are taken from Sahih Bukhari:

The translation of the meaning of Sahih al-Bukhari

Arabic-English

Dr.

Mohammad Muhsin Khan

Islamic University, Medina al-Munawwara

Kaze Publications.

1529 North Wells Street, Chicago.

ILL.

60610(USA)

(3rd revised, 1977)(4th revised Edition, March 1979)

Call Number(In library of Waterloo university): BP135.

A124E54